Sounds like the US is taking a step in the right direction, and it's encouraging to see Google backing, supporting and advising this development.
I read on BBC News that a similar project is under way here in the UK, with emphasis on increasing the speed in the major cities, through research into the efficiency of the next generation of cable technology. They mentioned testing speeds up to 1Gbs if I remember rightly!
In mexico the electricity government company CFE develop the carriers of carriers with presence in 98% of the territory,and we have the theme of campaign internet free for alls for cover 50% of poverty population for training in world university free on line like OCWC.org,job and comunication in an emergency plan for 2012 or before. http://presidentetecnologicodemexico.blogspot.com we are in the world Google Thanks you
We also need short or medium term solution to make media and internet services available to every citizen of the world. Companies like Google can really help to create more hotspots, not just in US, but everywhere in the world, in partnership with local businesses and Governments or NGOs.
Really, just build a quad satallite that rotates and put them up about every 100 miles away from each other. They have a potential of reaching up to 150 to 200 miles distance and that is for a small satallite, imagine using the old 12' satallites on the same set up. You could reach up to 250-500 miles. No need for fiber optics or any wires period. Give everyone a broadband card, start taking away from the computers for everyone in other countrys. Give them to our kids, and there you go! Everyone has broadband, and everyone should have a computer.
I live in a place I like to call RRA: Really Rural America. While the proposals outlined here may help in underserved urban and suburban areas, there are some gaps if you believe that Really Rural Americans also deserve broadband. To begin with, the fiber in federally financed projects won't bring any of the stuff into our towns and roads, because RRA is spread out away from roads that are major enough to be involved with Federal highway funds. The nearest Interstate Highway from my house is more than 28 miles away, and I live in relatively dense New England. For Wyoming or Idaho, those distances could be even greater.
The essential Rural problem is that there aren't enough of us to make a profitable customer base for the infrastructure. Our town of 125 households doesn't represent an opportunity for utilities. If electrification hadn't been a government priority half a century ago, we'd still be reading by kerosene lantern.
Now only if we had good Wifi we won't need our choppy cell phone providers. We can skype our way into the future using basic WiFi phones. Seriously the cell phone tower reception sucks! I'm sure the money we spent overseas for the war could have cover this over 10 folds but who is counting their pennies at a time we we could afford millions each day to post troops in foreign soil.
As a residential "dsl" customer- (Who ever heard of 312k dsl?)
Do you think we will continue to have the internet as a pay for access plan or will there be viable options for those with limited resources?
What made television great was the availability to the masses without a monthly bill, yet $50 a month for internet is a tough pill to swallow for many American families.
I wish we could provide high quality internet to all kids (high school teacher here) that had computers.
What if we went wireless instead of wired- with public access?
i think in the public area they should use alternative browsers, mainly firefox, because firefox is supported, i'm not saying chrome, or safari is bad, but i think the public area should use alternatives browsers
I would really like to see wimax be avaliable to every person. The speed that google is looking to get would be easily acheved with a fiber backing. The effective range is five miles for each tower. The wimax service could be offered free if the users were asked to pay a rental fee for the wixmax basestation.
I do believe internet access will spur the growth of the United States. It has changed culture worldwide, and is sad to see people denied access due to geography. I support a plan to wire up the country, to bring access to a world of information to one in Burneyville, Oklahoma.
Why should "public housing" get free broadband? I don't get free broadband. I have to pay for it. Is there any incentive left to work in this country? If you're poor, you get free health care (Medicaid), free food (food stamps), free housing (public housing), free education (government schools), and free access to public parks. And now free broadband? What's next -- free cars, free clothing? There are $10 million mansions in Los Gatos or Woodside that don't get broadband, but people who refuse to work and live off the taxpayer should somehow have the rest of us pay for them to get broadband? What has happened to this country?
Right, poor people are poor because they simply REFUSE TO WORK. There are so many jobs just sitting there waiting to be filled, if only people would go take them! Get real.
In regards to those that would say no to free broadband.
In education alone, how do schools better equip students to be technologically literate if we worry about a child's access to internet?
How do those same students access materials that require website posting, research, and interaction with peers?
Free internet sounds ridiculous to some and yes it would be abused in some cases, but wow! what if it were available to all.
We offer free access to our libraries online, why not in all homes?
I realize not all homes have computers- I would concede that we draw the line somewhere- families should provide their own computer.
I think the argument for free internet could be similar for the lack of tolls on interstate.
They are a product that benefit all users.
**Here's a wild idea- charge sales tax on internet transactions- then put that money towards providing public broadband. (Local businesses would rejoice and equity would come to the internet.)
"If electrification hadn't been a government priority half a century ago, we'd still be reading by kerosene lantern."
I could draw a similar line to what broadband might mean to americans 50 years from now. It may seem like a novelty now, but somewhere along the line it blurs to necessity.
And I'll leave my 2 cents here as well. First, I'd like to say everyone has great opinions here. Google has put forth something. But there is a huge cost here. How to offset those costs would be first. We could not use pennies anymore, for instance. Doesn't it cost more to make a penny than it's worth? I hate the penny.
2nd, we have the greatest interstate infrastructer on Earth with China very rapidly closing in. Why not utilize already federal (basicly) property? Lay the fiber there, and use it like roads and hwys. They were all dirt at one point.
3rd, redudancy. Oh man, I can see it now, wreck on I-40 shuts down eastern seaboard broadband access. We need to use it all: satallite; old ma bell lines; cable lines; fiber lines. And it also is going to depend on local terrain. I like wifi the best, and it seems where everyone is headed anyway. We broadcast radio, TV, cell phones, and gps signals. Seems to me we could broadcast the interweb too. I think someone mentioned computers... well there is a solution in place. They have a laptop computer that someone has designed that has a crank. It lasts about 15 minutes or so. It relays the wifi signal to other people that have the same laptop. I know they use it in 3rd world countries. It costs a little less than $100. Just throwing it out there.
4th, whatever happened to the plan where they were going to pipe in the internet through electrical lines? That seems like a perfect solution to our real americans living out there in rural communities, at least until we get the light pipe to them.
Finally, I hope that something happens here. This could be what our courty is looking for. Something that people can invest in. Something people can earn a wage, and pay their bills, and feed their family with. Something that we can all look back on and say, "when I was your age, we had to pay for the internet." We live in the age of information, surely there is an answer out there.
Nice idea, Google, but as someone who has worked in telecom, I think I need to point something out (and I'm sure you know this already): Where are you going to put the fiber? On distribution poles that are either owned by the ILECs or the utilities or co-owned? The ILECs do not cooperate - any of the smaller CLECs that have tried to work with the ILECs since the Telecom Act of 1996 have found that out. They either do slow downs, do not do surveys or makeready in a timely manner or make it so expensive to do business with them that it's not worth it at all. If you want to put the fiber into the rights of way on the roads, the costs to trench those in are prohibitive also. Railroad rights of way are the same (plus they require ROW Insurance). The cable companies as well as the ILECs will fight you also. The other thing is this - what communities are YOU talking about? Running fiber (and putting boosters in at regen sites) is very expensive out in really rural areas. When the potential customer base is 10s vs. 1000s, where's the business model there? Verizon left the entire state of Maine because of the costs to serve what is 90% rural muskeg. And they had been the ILEC for over a 100 years - and got the rights of way, etc. for free! The only way to make this work is to make this public - and pay for everything out of government money and have government infrastructure - because what we have right now, dependent on the cooperation of private corporations - does..not..work.
this is exactly what i've been preaching, that because of the powerful educational aspect of the internet, access should be a basic human right to knowledge and information, mostly paid for by tax payers and advertisers. no companies should really be charging for internet access and getting rich from it, though we still need to find funds to build the infrastructure, thoughtfully, and responsibly.
Thank you Google!! I hope my county will also get the benefits of having your services here, in west Florida, as well as Sarasota. I think I saw you in my wifi window but well... I could not connect to you during your trial test. I got a prt sc shot of your high connection which was occupying all the bar while my neighbours FIOS Verizon connections were occupying only less than half of the bar.
I will email to FCC to see if that will help since, from April 11, 2010, my 5,17, 29,and 44Kbps dial up connection was giving me panic attacks and too much stress so, now I will have to use the free wifi that Tax Collector offices offer.
Greetings from Manatee County and wishing you well in your business and community service nationwide proyect. LK Manatee County 34205
This is really a smart a idea...and it can only benefit everyone :)
1. The economy stinks right now...and reading through these comments it seems that people are wondering about the taxes accompanied by such a huge project. What they are forgetting, however, is that internet access has the ability to create business, millions of jobs and lift entire economies. See India's economy for instance.
2. Google's investment in this project would, of all internet-based companies, help Google. I don't think there exists one sane internet user who hasn't used the Google search engine.
3. Hey! Check it out...more businesses, more employment, more innovation/education, greater communication, more hits on Google, more revenue for the government and more votes for the government for fixing the economy! Everyone is happy! Hoorah! Conclusion: there should be ubiquitous internet access.
I have watched and read articles for years on the success of Google's undersea cable initiatives. I often thought and wished I had the money to light up some dark fiber, lay some more fiber and connect to the internet unimpeded by the telco/cable monopoly/duopoly. Such a company will make multiple hundreds of billions in profit even if that service is offered at Japanese monthly rates.
I watched the Telecommunications Act of 1996 get watered down by industry lobbyists to the point that it was useless. During the same period, the Japanese wisely de-regulated NTT and by the year 2000, Japanese consumers were receiving 100Mbps/100Mbps internet access for $55 per month. By 2006, those same fortunate Japanese residential consumers were receiving 1Gbps / 1Gbps for $52 per month after swapping out their Fiber modems.
Contrast that to the USA, were no markets truly function in a manner that makes economic sense, especially not the Cable/Telcom service markets. Where the FCC defines "broadband" as anything faster then an antiquated 768Kbps, yet allow Cable providers and telecoms to restrict bandwidth to less the that definition. Where a consumer pays for 16Mbps/2Mbps from their cable company only to learn that their bandwidth is restricted as soon as the speed test ends to 384Kbps/101Kbps (with random spikes higher from time to time). Of course, American consumers that do not run DD-WRT, OpenWRT or Tomatoe firmware on a supported Firewall/Router are clueless that they are restricted to less then their provider's advertised bandwidth.
Thank you for literally bringing light to Americans; at least those Americans that are smart enough to work for it; elect officials that care enough for them and their communities to oppose the local and national monopoly/duopoly powers attempting to prevent them from receiving this much needed service.
And jobs will follow to the cities and communities lucky enough to get un-restricted, unlimited service. I have multiple ideas for businesses that will create jobs assuming that the bandwidth is available at an affordable rate in order to make the attempt.
For those that are unaware, currently in Utah, via Utopia and in Salem, N.C. via Greenlight; residential consumers can get 100Mbps/100Mbps bandwidth at FIOS prices ($100 - $150 per month), granted FIOS only allows consumers a throttled/restricted 50Mbps/5Mbps. Not as good as the Japanese and not as good as at least 22 other industrialized countries, but absolutely possible. Will 5 communities receive this service in spite of all the obstacles in the way, absolutely. The only question is will it be yours or mine?
Stop making excuses for what you perceive can not be and start creating the reasons and solutions for getting this much needed service to your community. Your kids will thank you for it!
If only other American corporations would put Americans first the way Google does. Corporations use to, they understood that a strong American, created strong families, which created strong communities, and ultimately made their corporations stronger. Sadly most corporations have lost their way.
Thank you Google, for not being evil and for empowering Americans!
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ReplyDeleteNow use some of those billions to help us pay for it.
Sounds like the US is taking a step in the right direction, and it's encouraging to see Google backing, supporting and advising this development.
ReplyDeleteI read on BBC News that a similar project is under way here in the UK, with emphasis on increasing the speed in the major cities, through research into the efficiency of the next generation of cable technology. They mentioned testing speeds up to 1Gbs if I remember rightly!
screw the FCC! Just let google do it! (and pay for it)
ReplyDeleteJust great Google. You guys do EVERYTHING and it is so awesome
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In mexico the electricity government company CFE develop the carriers of carriers with presence in 98% of the territory,and we have the theme of campaign internet free for alls for cover 50% of poverty population for training in world university free on line like OCWC.org,job and comunication in an emergency plan for 2012 or before. http://presidentetecnologicodemexico.blogspot.com
ReplyDeletewe are in the world Google Thanks you
We also need short or medium term solution to make media and internet services available to every citizen of the world.
ReplyDeleteCompanies like Google can really help to create more hotspots, not just in US, but everywhere in the world, in partnership with local businesses and Governments or NGOs.
Really, just build a quad satallite that rotates and put them up about every 100 miles away from each other. They have a potential of reaching up to 150 to 200 miles distance and that is for a small satallite, imagine using the old 12' satallites on the same set up. You could reach up to 250-500 miles. No need for fiber optics or any wires period. Give everyone a broadband card, start taking away from the computers for everyone in other countrys. Give them to our kids, and there you go! Everyone has broadband, and everyone should have a computer.
ReplyDeleteI live in a place I like to call RRA: Really Rural America. While the proposals outlined here may help in underserved urban and suburban areas, there are some gaps if you believe that Really Rural Americans also deserve broadband. To begin with, the fiber in federally financed projects won't bring any of the stuff into our towns and roads, because RRA is spread out away from roads that are major enough to be involved with Federal highway funds. The nearest Interstate Highway from my house is more than 28 miles away, and I live in relatively dense New England. For Wyoming or Idaho, those distances could be even greater.
ReplyDeleteThe essential Rural problem is that there aren't enough of us to make a profitable customer base for the infrastructure. Our town of 125 households doesn't represent an opportunity for utilities. If electrification hadn't been a government priority half a century ago, we'd still be reading by kerosene lantern.
Now only if we had good Wifi we won't need our choppy cell phone providers. We can skype our way into the future using basic WiFi phones. Seriously the cell phone tower reception sucks! I'm sure the money we spent overseas for the war could have cover this over 10 folds but who is counting their pennies at a time we we could afford millions each day to post troops in foreign soil.
ReplyDeleteHELP ME I ON DIAL UP AND CAN'T GET BROADBAND THAT DOESN'T SUCK
ReplyDeleteTaking Broadband To Every American: What Google And The Feds Can Do
ReplyDeleteThat looks great.
ReplyDeleteAs a residential "dsl" customer- (Who ever heard of 312k dsl?)
Do you think we will continue to have the internet as a pay for access plan or will there be viable options for those with limited resources?
What made television great was the availability to the masses without a monthly bill, yet $50 a month for internet is a tough pill to swallow for many American families.
I wish we could provide high quality internet to all kids (high school teacher here) that had computers.
What if we went wireless instead of wired- with public access?
i think in the public area they should use alternative browsers, mainly firefox, because firefox is supported, i'm not saying chrome, or safari is bad, but i think the public area should use alternatives browsers
ReplyDeleteNice solutions!
ReplyDeleteI would really like to see wimax be avaliable to every person. The speed that google is looking to get would be easily acheved with a fiber backing. The effective range is five miles for each tower. The wimax service could be offered free if the users were asked to pay a rental fee for the wixmax basestation.
ReplyDeleteI do believe internet access will spur the growth of the United States. It has changed culture worldwide, and is sad to see people denied access due to geography. I support a plan to wire up the country, to bring access to a world of information to one in Burneyville, Oklahoma.
ReplyDeleteWhy should "public housing" get free broadband? I don't get free broadband. I have to pay for it. Is there any incentive left to work in this country? If you're poor, you get free health care (Medicaid), free food (food stamps), free housing (public housing), free education (government schools), and free access to public parks. And now free broadband? What's next -- free cars, free clothing? There are $10 million mansions in Los Gatos or Woodside that don't get broadband, but people who refuse to work and live off the taxpayer should somehow have the rest of us pay for them to get broadband? What has happened to this country?
ReplyDeleteRight, poor people are poor because they simply REFUSE TO WORK. There are so many jobs just sitting there waiting to be filled, if only people would go take them! Get real.
ReplyDeleteIn regards to those that would say no to free broadband.
ReplyDeleteIn education alone, how do schools better equip students to be technologically literate if we worry about a child's access to internet?
How do those same students access materials that require website posting, research, and interaction with peers?
Free internet sounds ridiculous to some and yes it would be abused in some cases, but wow! what if it were available to all.
We offer free access to our libraries online, why not in all homes?
I realize not all homes have computers- I would concede that we draw the line somewhere- families should provide their own computer.
I think the argument for free internet could be similar for the lack of tolls on interstate.
They are a product that benefit all users.
**Here's a wild idea- charge sales tax on internet transactions- then put that money towards providing public broadband.
(Local businesses would rejoice and equity would come to the internet.)
"If electrification hadn't been a government priority half a century ago, we'd still be reading by kerosene lantern."
ReplyDeleteI could draw a similar line to what broadband might mean to americans 50 years from now. It may seem like a novelty now, but somewhere along the line it blurs to necessity.
And I'll leave my 2 cents here as well. First, I'd like to say everyone has great opinions here. Google has put forth something. But there is a huge cost here. How to offset those costs would be first. We could not use pennies anymore, for instance. Doesn't it cost more to make a penny than it's worth? I hate the penny.
ReplyDelete2nd, we have the greatest interstate infrastructer on Earth with China very rapidly closing in. Why not utilize already federal (basicly) property? Lay the fiber there, and use it like roads and hwys. They were all dirt at one point.
3rd, redudancy. Oh man, I can see it now, wreck on I-40 shuts down eastern seaboard broadband access. We need to use it all: satallite; old ma bell lines; cable lines; fiber lines. And it also is going to depend on local terrain. I like wifi the best, and it seems where everyone is headed anyway. We broadcast radio, TV, cell phones, and gps signals. Seems to me we could broadcast the interweb too. I think someone mentioned computers... well there is a solution in place. They have a laptop computer that someone has designed that has a crank. It lasts about 15 minutes or so. It relays the wifi signal to other people that have the same laptop. I know they use it in 3rd world countries. It costs a little less than $100. Just throwing it out there.
4th, whatever happened to the plan where they were going to pipe in the internet through electrical lines? That seems like a perfect solution to our real americans living out there in rural communities, at least until we get the light pipe to them.
Finally, I hope that something happens here. This could be what our courty is looking for. Something that people can invest in. Something people can earn a wage, and pay their bills, and feed their family with. Something that we can all look back on and say, "when I was your age, we had to pay for the internet." We live in the age of information, surely there is an answer out there.
And regulate Internet Service as a public utility. It clearly is one and we need to protect consumers.
ReplyDeleteRight on track Google...
ReplyDeleteGovernment Technologies - Digital Communities - Broadband Nation
Nice idea, Google, but as someone who has worked in telecom, I think I need to point something out (and I'm sure you know this already): Where are you going to put the fiber? On distribution poles that are either owned by the ILECs or the utilities or co-owned? The ILECs do not cooperate - any of the smaller CLECs that have tried to work with the ILECs since the Telecom Act of 1996 have found that out. They either do slow downs, do not do surveys or makeready in a timely manner or make it so expensive to do business with them that it's not worth it at all. If you want to put the fiber into the rights of way on the roads, the costs to trench those in are prohibitive also. Railroad rights of way are the same (plus they require ROW Insurance). The cable companies as well as the ILECs will fight you also. The other thing is this - what communities are YOU talking about? Running fiber (and putting boosters in at regen sites) is very expensive out in really rural areas. When the potential customer base is 10s vs. 1000s, where's the business model there? Verizon left the entire state of Maine because of the costs to serve what is 90% rural muskeg. And they had been the ILEC for over a 100 years - and got the rights of way, etc. for free! The only way to make this work is to make this public - and pay for everything out of government money and have government infrastructure - because what we have right now, dependent on the cooperation of private corporations - does..not..work.
ReplyDeleteLooks like Google put their money where their mouth is. Kudos to you, Google!
ReplyDeleteOnly Google could send a message like this to the ISP's who won't give us want we want. Thank you Google.
ReplyDeletethis is exactly what i've been preaching, that because of the powerful educational aspect of the internet, access should be a basic human right to knowledge and information, mostly paid for by tax payers and advertisers. no companies should really be charging for internet access and getting rich from it, though we still need to find funds to build the infrastructure, thoughtfully, and responsibly.
ReplyDeleteThank you Google!! I hope my county will also get the benefits of having your services here, in west Florida, as well as Sarasota.
ReplyDeleteI think I saw you in my wifi window but well... I could not connect to you during your trial test.
I got a prt sc shot of your high connection which was occupying all the bar while my neighbours FIOS Verizon connections were occupying only less than half of the bar.
I will email to FCC to see if that will help since, from April 11, 2010, my 5,17, 29,and 44Kbps dial up connection was giving me panic attacks and too much stress so, now I will have to use the free wifi that Tax Collector offices offer.
Greetings from Manatee County and wishing you well in your business and community service nationwide proyect.
LK Manatee County 34205
This is really a smart a idea...and it can only benefit everyone :)
ReplyDelete1. The economy stinks right now...and reading through these comments it seems that people are wondering about the taxes accompanied by such a huge project. What they are forgetting, however, is that internet access has the ability to create business, millions of jobs and lift entire economies. See India's economy for instance.
2. Google's investment in this project would, of all internet-based companies, help Google. I don't think there exists one sane internet user who hasn't used the Google search engine.
3. Hey! Check it out...more businesses, more employment, more innovation/education, greater communication, more hits on Google, more revenue for the government and more votes for the government for fixing the economy! Everyone is happy! Hoorah! Conclusion: there should be ubiquitous internet access.
Thank you, thank you, thank you Google!
ReplyDeleteI have watched and read articles for years on the success of Google's undersea cable initiatives. I often thought and wished I had the money to light up some dark fiber, lay some more fiber and connect to the internet unimpeded by the telco/cable monopoly/duopoly. Such a company will make multiple hundreds of billions in profit even if that service is offered at Japanese monthly rates.
I watched the Telecommunications Act of 1996 get watered down by industry lobbyists to the point that it was useless. During the same period, the Japanese wisely de-regulated NTT and by the year 2000, Japanese consumers were receiving 100Mbps/100Mbps internet access for $55 per month. By 2006, those same fortunate Japanese residential consumers were receiving 1Gbps / 1Gbps for $52 per month after swapping out their Fiber modems.
Contrast that to the USA, were no markets truly function in a manner that makes economic sense, especially not the Cable/Telcom service markets. Where the FCC defines "broadband" as anything faster then an antiquated 768Kbps, yet allow Cable providers and telecoms to restrict bandwidth to less the that definition. Where a consumer pays for 16Mbps/2Mbps from their cable company only to learn that their bandwidth is restricted as soon as the speed test ends to 384Kbps/101Kbps (with random spikes higher from time to time). Of course, American consumers that do not run DD-WRT, OpenWRT or Tomatoe firmware on a supported Firewall/Router are clueless that they are restricted to less then their provider's advertised bandwidth.
Thank you for literally bringing light to Americans; at least those Americans that are smart enough to work for it; elect officials that care enough for them and their communities to oppose the local and national monopoly/duopoly powers attempting to prevent them from receiving this much needed service.
And jobs will follow to the cities and communities lucky enough to get un-restricted, unlimited service. I have multiple ideas for businesses that will create jobs assuming that the bandwidth is available at an affordable rate in order to make the attempt.
For those that are unaware, currently in Utah, via Utopia and in Salem, N.C. via Greenlight; residential consumers can get 100Mbps/100Mbps bandwidth at FIOS prices ($100 - $150 per month), granted FIOS only allows consumers a throttled/restricted 50Mbps/5Mbps. Not as good as the Japanese and not as good as at least 22 other industrialized countries, but absolutely possible. Will 5 communities receive this service in spite of all the obstacles in the way, absolutely. The only question is will it be yours or mine?
Stop making excuses for what you perceive can not be and start creating the reasons and solutions for getting this much needed service to your community. Your kids will thank you for it!
If only other American corporations would put Americans first the way Google does. Corporations use to, they understood that a strong American, created strong families, which created strong communities, and ultimately made their corporations stronger. Sadly most corporations have lost their way.
Thank you Google, for not being evil and for empowering Americans!
Your national broadband proposal will further to bankrupt the USA.
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ReplyDeleteThanks.