I'm glad that a company as large as Google has retained its sense of morality when engaging issues that affect its business. Compared to other markets, the broadband industry is dominated by a few BIG players, and in my opinion anything that policymakers enact to give them more power over the consumer is a step in the wrong direction. This seems to be a decisive issue concerning the future of the internet, which will inevitably become the primary medium for the dissemination of information, and I think more big players such as Google should continue to publicize it. I've always admired Google in particular for being a company that strives to protect and preserve the rights of the consumer-citizen. Keep up the good work, we all appreciate it.
Isn’t it slightly contradictory that you refer to Google’s production and creation “for American consumers” and you talk about Web servers located “around the country” when Google is one of the most global companies around and what you create and produce is instantly used all over the world? Isn’t your comment slightly partisan? I mean, I’m not American, I don’t live in America, I’m not even an English-speaker and yet I’m reading and commenting on this Google “made-for-Americans” blog.
Rodrigo, it isn't meant to exclude international users. He posts with a US bias because Net Neutrality is a proposed US law; his audience is US lawmakers, and their constituents.
Network neutrality is all about hiding the issue of IPTV under a pile of misdirection, obfuscation, ancillary concerns, and baseless hysteria. Here's what's really going on:
AT&T and Verizon have rolled out IPTV services that compete with cable TV and satellite but use the same physical lines as their telephone and Internet access services. They figure they can pay for upgrades to their physical plant - wires and routers - with TV subscriptions. They may be right and they may be wrong.
Google, Skype, Amazon, and others who want to sell IPTV and VOIP are nervous about these systems because they want a piece of the action and it doesn't look like they'll get one unless they can make deals with AT&T and Verizon. So they've ginned up network neutrality to enhance their bargaining position. Google is all about selling ads, and TV is mainly ad-supported. Google sees TV as the next step in their corporate evolution and doesn't want any barriers in the way.
There is no principle of law called "network neutrality", nor is there any principle of network design that goes by that name. And there is no natural right for Google to offer an IPTV service over AT&T's pipes for the price of standard Internet access. It's costing money for AT&T and Verizon to upgrade their systems to support this service, which is faster and more reliable than Internet access.
IPTV is not the Internet, but the campaign that Google and Skype are waging through sock-puppet organizations like Save the Internet make it look that way.
I'd like to introduce a new term to the Internet vocabulary: "First Mile" -- unlike the "Last Mile", the connection from my ISP to my computer, the "First Mile" is the connection from content providers to their ISPs.
Google's First Mile is going to be very expensive. They're pumping out gigabytes (terabytes? petabytes?) of data all over the continent, all day long. This is markedly different from my Last Mile, which sees a little bit of e-mail, some Web pages, and a couple of podcasts. This all takes place only when I'm actually sitting at my computer.
All in all, it's a pretty cheap Last Mile, maybe $30 a month, compared to Google's First Mile, for which they're probably paying tens of thousands of dollars a month.
Carriers are being disingenuous when they complain that they're not being compensated for the bandwidth Google produces -- they're actually being compensated twice, once by Google for their First Mile, and again by me, for my Last Mile. Yes, there are intermediate carriers, and each of them gets paid by their downstream customers. One stream of data, many streams of revenue.
Ideally, the aggregate of all the First Miles should pretty much equal the aggregate of all the Last Miles.
So, to have the carrier charge me extra for "premium content" from certain content providers is completely bogus. The content provider has already paid for the bandwidth of that data in the First Mile, and I've already paid for the data I'm using in my Last Mile.
This is why it may be necessary to have Net Neutrality legislation -- to stop the carriers from charging us triple for data they've already been paid for twice.
How about a post clarifying the 'democratic' way that corporations can defuse individual speech, but individuals can't purchase ads criticizing corporations? link
There is no principle of law called "network neutrality", nor is there any principle of network design that goes by that name.
I see the point you're trying to make here, but referencing the name alone (a recent moniker) ignores decades of common carrier nondiscrimination rules, which is what NN amounts to.
Maybe a "part 4" tracing the history of network regulation from railroad to telegraph to telephone to Internet to Brand X would be in order, to help dispel the myth that NN amounts to "new government regulation of the Internet."
Might be good to help folk understand the regulatory history of nondiscrimination of FCC-designated telecommunications services, to which DSL belonged until recently if I'm not mistaken.
Myrddin, a rather delayed response to your own response. Thanx for explaining that to me, but I still don't agree. I get the point that it’s a proposed US law, but I also understand that US law sets important jurisprudence for other countries, especially other American countries. And, more importantly, I am sure that whatever policy Google has in the US it will have the same policy in most other countries, that's way I was slightly taken by what you call bias. Still, it don't think it's such a big issue, just something that caught my attention.
I'm glad that a company as large as Google has retained its sense of morality when engaging issues that affect its business. Compared to other markets, the broadband industry is dominated by a few BIG players, and in my opinion anything that policymakers enact to give them more power over the consumer is a step in the wrong direction. This seems to be a decisive issue concerning the future of the internet, which will inevitably become the primary medium for the dissemination of information, and I think more big players such as Google should continue to publicize it. I've always admired Google in particular for being a company that strives to protect and preserve the rights of the consumer-citizen. Keep up the good work, we all appreciate it.
ReplyDeleteIsn’t it slightly contradictory that you refer to Google’s production and creation “for American consumers” and you talk about Web servers located “around the country” when Google is one of the most global companies around and what you create and produce is instantly used all over the world? Isn’t your comment slightly partisan? I mean, I’m not American, I don’t live in America, I’m not even an English-speaker and yet I’m reading and commenting on this Google “made-for-Americans” blog.
ReplyDeleteRodrigo, it isn't meant to exclude international users. He posts with a US bias because Net Neutrality is a proposed US law; his audience is US lawmakers, and their constituents.
ReplyDeleteNetwork neutrality is all about hiding the issue of IPTV under a pile of misdirection, obfuscation, ancillary concerns, and baseless hysteria. Here's what's really going on:
ReplyDeleteAT&T and Verizon have rolled out IPTV services that compete with cable TV and satellite but use the same physical lines as their telephone and Internet access services. They figure they can pay for upgrades to their physical plant - wires and routers - with TV subscriptions. They may be right and they may be wrong.
Google, Skype, Amazon, and others who want to sell IPTV and VOIP are nervous about these systems because they want a piece of the action and it doesn't look like they'll get one unless they can make deals with AT&T and Verizon. So they've ginned up network neutrality to enhance their bargaining position. Google is all about selling ads, and TV is mainly ad-supported. Google sees TV as the next step in their corporate evolution and doesn't want any barriers in the way.
There is no principle of law called "network neutrality", nor is there any principle of network design that goes by that name. And there is no natural right for Google to offer an IPTV service over AT&T's pipes for the price of standard Internet access. It's costing money for AT&T and Verizon to upgrade their systems to support this service, which is faster and more reliable than Internet access.
IPTV is not the Internet, but the campaign that Google and Skype are waging through sock-puppet organizations like Save the Internet make it look that way.
Our free speech is not threatened.
I'd like to introduce a new term to the Internet vocabulary: "First Mile" -- unlike the "Last Mile", the connection from my ISP to my computer, the "First Mile" is the connection from content providers to their ISPs.
ReplyDeleteGoogle's First Mile is going to be very expensive. They're pumping out gigabytes (terabytes? petabytes?) of data all over the continent, all day long. This is markedly different from my Last Mile, which sees a little bit of e-mail, some Web pages, and a couple of podcasts. This all takes place only when I'm actually sitting at my computer.
All in all, it's a pretty cheap Last Mile, maybe $30 a month, compared to Google's First Mile, for which they're probably paying tens of thousands of dollars a month.
Carriers are being disingenuous when they complain that they're not being compensated for the bandwidth Google produces -- they're actually being compensated twice, once by Google for their First Mile, and again by me, for my Last Mile. Yes, there are intermediate carriers, and each of them gets paid by their downstream customers. One stream of data, many streams of revenue.
Ideally, the aggregate of all the First Miles should pretty much equal the aggregate of all the Last Miles.
So, to have the carrier charge me extra for "premium content" from certain content providers is completely bogus. The content provider has already paid for the bandwidth of that data in the First Mile, and I've already paid for the data I'm using in my Last Mile.
This is why it may be necessary to have Net Neutrality legislation -- to stop the carriers from charging us triple for data they've already been paid for twice.
--Bob.
How about a post clarifying the 'democratic' way that corporations can defuse individual speech, but individuals can't purchase ads criticizing corporations? link
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ReplyDeleteThere is no principle of law called "network neutrality", nor is there any principle of network design that goes by that name.
ReplyDeleteI see the point you're trying to make here, but referencing the name alone (a recent moniker) ignores decades of common carrier nondiscrimination rules, which is what NN amounts to.
Maybe a "part 4" tracing the history of network regulation from railroad to telegraph to telephone to Internet to Brand X would be in order, to help dispel the myth that NN amounts to "new government regulation of the Internet."
Might be good to help folk understand the regulatory history of nondiscrimination of FCC-designated telecommunications services, to which DSL belonged until recently if I'm not mistaken.
Myrddin, a rather delayed response to your own response. Thanx for explaining that to me, but I still don't agree. I get the point that it’s a proposed US law, but I also understand that US law sets important jurisprudence for other countries, especially other American countries. And, more importantly, I am sure that whatever policy Google has in the US it will have the same policy in most other countries, that's way I was slightly taken by what you call bias. Still, it don't think it's such a big issue, just something that caught my attention.
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